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Discussiones e attaccos personal
Le discussion sequente es super le topico Wikipedia:Taverna 2009#JM is removing content and then blocking discussion on pages without any consent from the OP, que esseva commentate solmente per le usator PaceFlama. ―André. 23:34, 9 januario 2010 (UTC)
Per favor, PaceFlama, io te suggere attentamente que tu lege Wikipedia:Etiquetta, e commenta observante le principios describite in ille pagina. Principalmente, per favor assume bona fide, isto es, sempre que tu non es de accordo con un action de altere wikipedista, assume que ille/illa non ha volite facer damnos. Tu diceva, per exemplo que Julian non ha rationes pro mover discussiones. Como tu sape isto? André. 2 januario 2010
- Caro amigo Andre. Gratias pro donar me alicun documento pro leger. Io no habeva laboro :-)
- Come sape tu que J. actiones non ha volite facer damnos, si ille non ha questionate ningun contributor super le actiones de mover e remover? Did he asked any OP before moving the article? Even if this wikipedia is small, it is nice to ask first, before removing content and pages. You said mentioning J. name with critics might be not pleasent for him because of search engines. Because I don't want to discuss in vain, I will simply remove J. name from the last year post in the Taverna, and also in my post his discussion page. This is because I respect Julian work in this wiki, and hopefully he can focus in less controversy in the future. There are tons of things that can be done in this wiki, and the controversial moving and removing of pages is the least important thing. I think contributors and contributions need to be encouraged. If a discussion page needs to be removed and moved in one's opinion, that person needs to ask first, get some consensus. If nobody answers in 3-4 weeks or so, he can go ahead with the change, assuming nobody is against. I propose to have a special page for articles to be moved or deleted, and when a new article is in this category, a short announcement with a link to that page can be made in Taverna. Again, we can all contribute more, to reach the threshold of 10000 articles, instead of having futile discussions. Thank you ====PaceFlama 04:24, 15 januario 2010 (UTC)
Quando io legeva tu parolas, illos me semblava que tu quasi comparava Julian con un vandalo! Per favor, io te suggere que tu te calma. Critica constructivemente e tenta esser comprensive. Io comprende que iste Wikipedia es multo parve e alicun vices, quando nos tenta cercar concenso ante de facer alcun modification il ha nulle responsa... e on debe ager sin esser secur si le alteres es de accordo. Quando tu non es de accordo con alique, io te suggere que tu aperi un nove topico hic, in le Taverna. In facto, io crede que per iste ration Julian moveva le discussion del Portal del Communitate, per que il es melior haber nostre discussiones in un sol loco, ubi totes pote vider los.
Vide per exemplo, quando il esseva implementate le modulo de FlaggedRevisions, io non esseva de accordo con le maniera que illo functionava e io lo commentava hic... Io rememora que io esseva multo irate e io debeva calmar me ante de commentar. Amicalmente, André. 15:54, 2 januario 2010 (UTC).
- What happened with the discussion you mention about the module FlaggedRevisions? There was a vote to have removed this module, and that vote from what I remember was ignored... The final vote was to not have this module. Why the moderators do not put the vote into practice? ====PaceFlama 04:24, 15 januario 2010 (UTC)
Io ha renominate iste topico per que il me sembla plus importante discuter super le attaccos personal mesme (io ha vidite que le problemas super le pagina de discussion del Portal del Communitate esseva solvite), e pro evitar le repetition del texto original. Io ha invitate PaceFlama a commentar hic super le subjecto. ||
- Why do you accuse people of making personal attacks, when I just commented about the modifications? "commenta super le modificationes, non super le contributores" I will take J. name out from my posting, just because you mentioned his name can be found with google, yahoo regarding this and I don't want any unpleasent things for him. Under no circumstances this was something personal, it was just the last resort after I see the discussion page blocked, when I wanted to modify that page to eliminate any "off-topic" from it. I don't think the discussion page needs to be blocked. A discussion page is for discussion. ===PaceFlama 04:24, 15 januario 2010 (UTC)
Io volerea adder super iste topico que io non esseva secur si le parolas de PaceFlamma esseva un attacco personal, per isto io non mentionava iste termino in mi commentario anterior. Nonobstante, depost de leger le commentarios in le pagina de discussion personal de Julian, e le commentarios in le discussion del portal del communitate, io crede que illo esseva un attaco personal. Car PaceFlama, io volerea citar iste texto ab Wikipedia:Etiquetta:
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- Nunquam face attacos personal a altere usatores, isto es, commenta super le modificationes, non super le contributores.
- Si un altere wikipedista non es de accordo con te, da bon rationes de tu opinion o modification; explica proque tu pensa que illo es appropriate. (Vide plus in Wikipedia:Consenso)
e iste texto ab Wikipedia:Consenso:
- Le silentio implica consenso. [...] Le consenso debe semper esser constituite per un systema de bon rationes.
Rememora que le wikipedistas generalmente labora multe tempore hic, e le attaccos personal non es un bon maniera pro convincer alteres de facer lo que tu considera correcte. Rememora etiam que isto es un sito web public! "Tote le versiones del articulos es conservate in le historia del articulo [...] Rememora: toto lo que tu scribe hic essera conservate pro le posteritate" (ab WP:5P), e io pote comprender a Julian que il non es agradabile haber parolas dur super on mesme quando on cerca (in Google, Yahoo!, etc.) nostre nomines. Io rememora que quando io esseva un nove usator, io non esseva de accordo super le essayos, contos e articulos de opinion religiose que il esseva scribite hic, e io tentava eliminar los rapidemente... sed io tentava criticar le contento, e non le creatores de ille contento, sed io rememora que, del mesme maniera que tu, io esseva multo irate e voleva dicer al redactores del essayos "Halto! Isto es un encyclopedia, non plus articulos de opinion!"... Nunc, io recognosce que le redactores de ille contento habeva laborate multe tempore pro facer lo... e le forma correcte de ager esseva commentar, discuter e usar le senso commun. Finalmente, in ille occassion, io habeva le ration e le articulos esseva corregite e le essayos esseva eliminate. Io lassa isto pro nostre reflexion. Amicalmente, André. 00:26, 10 januario 2010 (UTC)
Caro Andre, / Dear Andre, your words are right and because I did not intent any harm on J, and I respect him and his contributions, I will take his name from my post of last year in Taverna and in his discussion page. Hopefully this will do OK with you. Please let me know. Thank you ===PaceFlama 04:24, 15 januario 2010 (UTC)
- Car PaceFlama, io pensa que le problema non es menctionar le nomine de un usator quando tu non es de accordo con su ideas. Le problema es le maniera que on usa pro exprimer le ideas. Io te recommenda usar un tono plus calme, e dicer ideas concrete. Questiona, sed propone tamben alternativas. Evita facer generalisationes. Vide per exemplo le parolas que tu usava supra: "Why do you accuse people of making personal attacks,[..]?", io nunquam habeva facite anteriormente alicun commentario super attaccos personal, tunc, io pote facilemente interpretar tu parolas de forma que tu dice que io accusa multe personas de facer attaccos personal. Sia concrete: "per que tu me accussava ...?" Iste sorta de phrases generalmente face que le discussion sia incommode. Etiam io vole dicer te que ben que isto es un discussion, isto es le Taverna, il es un bon idea respectar le commentarios del alteres, pro evitar misinterpretationes: tu, per exemplo, divideva mi commentario e renominava le titulo del section [1]. Facer isto non sempre es un bon idea e pote facer que un discussion se torne irate; prefere sempre non modificar le commentarios del alteres. Pardona, oblida e pete pardon quando necessari. Le idea con iste discussion non es que tu corrige alique in particular in iste momento, solmente es pro evitar que occurre alique como isto in le futuro. Etiam, rememora que nos non labora sub un systema de votos (Wikipedia non es un democratia)... Quando nos discute alique nos cerca consenso, e le consenso es trovate per un systema de bon rationes, non per votationes. In le caso del modulo de FlaggedRevisions, per exemplo, nos cercava un consenso: nos deberea mantener le modulo sed con alicun modificationes, e isto es lo que on ha facite. In iste sorta de discussiones, il es recommendabile flectar nostre position pro trovar concenso. Un altere cosa: io vole peter te que tu cambia le nomine de iste section al nomine original que io habeva scribite. Como io diceva supra, io non discute super le paginas de discussion, sed super le commentarios que tu faceva. Si tu vole discuter super le paginas de discussion (io pensa que illo non es necessari, le pagina de discussion del Portal del Communitate retornava a su sito, etc.) aperi un nove topico hic. Amicalmente, André. 16:02, 16 januario 2010 (UTC)
Post un tempore rationabile, io cambia le titulo de iste section, que io initiava, al titulo original. ―André. 22:26, 24 februario 2010 (UTC)
Bon anno nove e felice die de interlingua
Io desira a tote le comunitate de Wikipedia, un bon anno nove e un felice die de interlingua! E congratulationes etiam a totes pro que nos ha plus que 5000 articulos! ―André. 15:57, 2 januario 2010 (UTC)
- Bon anno! ====04:24, 15 januario 2010 (UTC)
Manual de stilo
Finalmente! Io ha finalisate, depost de multe tempore que io non poteva dedicar al manual de stilo, nostre Wikipedia:Manual de stilo (WP:MS) ha su prime version stabile. Io invita a tote le communitate a leger lo e observar lo. Specialmente, io vole que totes vide le section WP:MS#Comma decimal e separator de milles... nos deberea usar le patrono {{n}} pro formatar automaticamente le numeros, excepte intra patronos de infobox (ubi illos es automaticamente formatate, etiam). Pro proponer cambios al manual, io pensa que nos pote usar iste Taverna pro invitar al contributores al pagina de discussion del manual, e le mesme pro altere politicas e directivas. Cordialmente, ―André. 01:31, 11 januario 2010 (UTC)
- Gratias pro to grande labor. Multo appreciate! ===PaceFlama 04:24, 15 januario 2010 (UTC)
- De accordo, multe gratias pro iste guida exhaustive, le qual debe haber prendite multe tempore e effortio pro scriber. Io ha prendite le libertate de corriger alcun errores, principalmente de orthographia. Si io concipera suggestiones super le contento, io te los communicara certemente hic in le Taverna. – Martijn 16:17, 14 februario 2010 (UTC)
Multe gratias, Martijn, pro le correctiones orthographic! ―André. 22:22, 24 februario 2010 (UTC)
Bon die de Interlingua, 15 januario!
15 januario es le International die de Interlingua.
Concurso "Le plus grande contributor" post le 15 januario, Le Die de Interlingua
How about a contest for the 15 of January, International Interlingua Day?
Who will create the most articles, even if they will be just stub and need future addition and improvement, in an effrort to have this wiki pass the threshold of 10000 articles?
Cual pote crear le plus grande numero de articulos, peciattas, on le International Die de Interlingua, 15-Jan-2010?
Gratias ====PaceFlama 04:24, 15 januario 2010 (UTC)
De accordo. Le concurso "Le plus grande contributor" (io propone) con durate del Januario (le cuatro septimanas sequente, 30 dies). (con start hodie a Die de Interlingua 15 de januario). Io vole crear un decoration pro isto concurso.
- Le tropheo pro le concurso de 15 dies con le start hodie, "international Die de Interlingua" (durante: 15/Jan/2010 - 15/Feb/2010) es:
---Akauno 21:38, 15 januario 2010 (UTC)
- Pro que non esseva multe contributiones, io crede que nos pote extender isto concurso anque 15-feb-2010. Per favor scribe articulos. Per favor dice si isto concurso es bon o non pro usted. ---Akauno 18:07, 1 februario 2010 (UTC)
Gratie a Julian Mendez nos habemos Open Office e FireFox dictionario corrector ortographic
Gratie a Julian Mendez nos habemos Open Office e FireFox dictionario corrector ortographic in Interlingua. Iste editor de texto de wikipedia no habe un corrector ortographic, se pote applicar un dictionario? Es iste editor dependente de le internet navigator (Google-Chrome, Internet-Explorer, FireFox)?
Gratias! ===PaceFlama 05:15, 15 januario 2010 (UTC)
- @PaceFlama: si, illo es dependente de tu navigator del web. Le corrector orthographic pro FireFox functiona ben con Wikipedia. – Martijn 20:58, 12 februario 2010 (UTC)
- Plus bon!
- Julian Mendez merita un tropheo pro su contributione con le dictionario corrector. "Le Stella de Merit"
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Le Stella de Merit | |
| Pro Julian Mendez. Pro le creation del dictionario orthographic de Interlingua. |
- Gratias --Akauno 21:42, 15 januario 2010 (UTC)
Un lista de contributiones que es considerate pro le concurso "Die de Interlingua"
Un lista de contributiones que es considerate pro le concurso "Die de Interlingua" es publicate aqui: Concurso_le_plus_grande_contributor_die_de_Interlingua
Le concurso se continua anche 15-februario-2010. Solo nove paginas es considerate in le concurso. Bon fortuna! :-) |>>>Akauno 17:52, 3 februario 2010 (UTC)
- Le concurso es finite. Gratias a tote le paticipantes!
- Le resultates es publicate aqui: Concurso_le_plus_grande_contributor_die_de_Interlingua
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Iste usator es un ganiator del evenimento "Die de Interlingua". |
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1. Adailton con 13 nove articulos
2. Starlight con 6 articulos
3. Gaudio, Wakuran, QuartierLatin1968 e Lino con 4 articulos
- Felicitationes! |>>>Akauno 01:48, 16 februario 2010 (UTC)
Renomination de WP:AB
Que pensa vos de renominar Wikipedia:Articulos que omne Wikipedia deberea haber a Wikipedia:Articulos basic o Wikipedia:Articulos vital (como in Wikipedia in anglese)? Le nomine currente, ben que illo es le traduction del nomine usate in Meta e le majoritate de Wikipedias, es troppo complexe e pote esser facilemente confundite (illo me ocurreva alicun vices). Si nos selige le nomine "Articulos Vital", forsan nos deberea cambiar etiam le via curte "WP:AB" a "WP:AV". Cordialmente, ―André. 23:43, 25 februario 2010 (UTC)
- Io es de accordo. Nos poterea etiam usar altere titulos como "Articulos indispensabile" o "Articulos essential". In omne caso, nos poterea adder le via curte nove e preservar le anterior. Cordialmente, --Julian (disc.) 09:33, 26 februario 2010 (UTC)
Io ha vidite que alicun (3 o 4) Wikipedias de plus del anglese usa "Wikipedia:Articulos vital"... Si necuno ha objectiones, io va facer le renomination. ―André. 20:20, 18 martio 2010 (UTC)
Renomination facite e via curte create. ―André. 21:36, 23 martio 2010 (UTC)
Usa del template o patrono { Infobox settlement } pro le citates
Usa del template o patrono Infobox settlement:
- Paso 1: Copiar le { Infobox settlement } - le code del articulo in Anglese ( en:Paris ---> ia:Paris )
- Paso 2: { Infobox settlement } alicun texto traducite in interlingua
- Exemplo con Paris : clicca vider le differentias: Differentias in le articulo Paris ante / post le traductia (paso 1 / paso 2)
http://ia.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paris&action=historysubmit&diff=246126&oldid=246116 Le commentario anterior esseva facite per le usator anonyme 143.112.144.129.―André. 21:35, 23 martio 2010 (UTC)
Wikimania Scholarships
The call for applications for Wikimania Scholarships to attend Wikimania 2010 in Gdansk, Poland (July 9-11) is now open. The Wikimedia Foundation offers Scholarships to pay for selected individuals' round trip travel, accommodations, and registration at the conference. To apply, visit the Wikimania 2010 scholarships information page, click the secure link available there, and fill out the form to apply. For additional information, please visit the Scholarships information and FAQ pages:
Yours very truly,
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FlaggedRevs update week of June 14
Hi everyone! As part of the Pending Changes feature rollout on en.wikipedia.org on the week of 2010-06-14, we'll need to update the implementation of FlaggedRevs plugin that is in use on this wiki. To be clear, we're not altering this wiki's configuration of FlaggedRevs, merely updating the code that is shared between this site's Flagged Revisions configuration and the new configuration that we're implementing on en.wikipedia.org. We don't anticipate any problems or any reduction in functionality, but as with any new software, there may be unanticipated bugs. If you discover any problems or have further concerns, please report them at the Pending Changes issue page. Thanks! (and apologies for the non-localized notice) -- RobLa 07:03, 11 junio 2010 (UTC)
connectivity project
Hallo, my name is Anastasiya Lvova, I'm "duty" in Connectivity project. The essence of the "Connectivity" project is to study and enhance the coherence of Wikipedia, or, in other words, to improve hypertext navigation between articles. The project deals with deadends, isolated articles, non-categorized articles, transitivity of the category tree, etc.
We want to work with your language version, but we need configured MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage for it (with direct links to template namespace pages, for example, ru:MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage/de:MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage/fr:MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage). Is it possible to set it up for our usage?
thanks in advance, Lvova 18:50, 12 junio 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks to Julian Mendez, everything works! Lvova 09:20, 22 junio 2010 (UTC)
2010 Fundraising Is Almost Here
Hello Wikipedians, my name is Kelly and I am working for the Wikimedia Foundation during the 2010 Fundraiser. My job is to be the liaison between the Interlingua community and the Foundation. This year's fundraiser is intended to be a collaborative and global effort; we recognize that banner messages which may perform well in the United States don't necessarily translate well, or appeal to international audiences.
I'm contacting you as I am currently looking for translators who are willing to contribute to this project by helping translate and localize messages into Interlingua and suggesting messages that would appeal to Interlingua readers on the Fundraising Meta Page. We've started the setup on meta for both banner submission, statistical analysis, and grouping volunteers together.
Use the talk pages on meta, talk to your local communities, talk to others, talk to us, and add your feedback to the proposed messages as well! I look forward to working with you during this year's fundraiser. If someone could translate this message I would really appreciate it so that everyone is able to understand our goals and contribute to this year's campaign.
Klyman 23:04, 18 octobre 2010 (UTC)
Traduction:
Le Collecta de Fundos de 2010 es quasi hic
Salute wikipedianos, mi nomine es Kelly e io labora pro le Fundation Wikimedia durante le Collecta de Fundos de 2010. Mi labor es esser le liaison inter le communitate de interlingua e le Fundation. Le collecta de iste anno deberea esser un effortio global e de collaboration; nos recognosce que messages de standardos que age ben in le Statos Unite non necessarimente es ben traducite, o attrahe audientias international.
Io vos contacta proque io cerca traductores qui desira contribuer a iste projecto que adjuta a traducer e localisar message in interlingua e suggere messages que poterea attraher lectores de interlingua al pagina de meta del Collecta de Fundos. Nos ha comenciate le configuration in meta pro ambe submissiones de standardos, analyse statistic, e aggruppamento de voluntarios.
Usa le paginas de discussion in meta, parla con vostre communitate local, parla con nos, e etiam adde vostre responsa al messages proponite! Io desira laborar con vos durante le collecta de iste anno. Si alicuno poterea traducer iste message io lo appreciarea, assi omnes pote comprehender nostre objectivos e contribuer al campania de iste anno.
Klyman 23:04, 18 octobre 2010 (UTC)
An urgent translation request
Greetings :) As you may have noticed, the banners are up and we are in the final stages of testing before the official kickoff on Monday the 15th for this year's WMF fundraiser. We are in a bit of a time crunch to get the Interlingue translations in before the Fundraiser launch on Monday. We really don't want to have English pages on the Interlingue projects. This is a calll to to community to get involved, help translate and recruit translators to get all the fundraising materials completed. Here is the translation hub with the Jimmy Appeal, Core Messages, FAQ and Benefactors pages that need to be completed Translations. Once these are completed, we can build the new landing pages and localize the fundraiser! Thanks so much, let me know if there are any questions!Klyman 18:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Traduction de paginas de collection de fundos
Salute!
Io ha traducite le paginas requestate per Klyman: Jimmy Appeal, Core Messages, FAQ e Benefactors. Si alicuno del usatores active vole facer un lectura de probas, illo esserea multo bon. Multe gratias.
Cordialmente, --Julian (disc.) 22:45, 18 novembre 2010 (UTC)
- Lectura de probas facite. Cordialmente, --Julian (disc.) 14:43, 27 novembre 2010 (UTC)
Flagged Revisions feature update: November 23
(apologies in advance for using English here) - We are currently planning to roll out a new version of the FlaggedRevs extension to all wikis on Tuesday, November 23 starting roughly 3:15pm PST (23:15 UTC). This is used for Pending Changes on en.wikipedia.org and Flagged Revisions on many other wikis. This will have a new reject button, some diff page load optimizations to help complicated diff pages load faster by displaying the diff prior to displaying the old revision, and many under-the-hood code improvements.
We have several test environments in place with FlaggedRevs/Pending Changes configured:
- 1.16wmf4 core + trunk FlaggedRevs extension (this is the closest to a production environment):
- en.wikipedia.org: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/flaggedrevs/Main_Page
- de.wikipedia.org: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/flaggedrevsde/
- trunk core + trunk FlaggedRevs extension (this is a more experimental version of the core software with the same version of the extension):
- de.wikipedia.org: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/de.wikipedia.org/
- pl.wikipedia.org: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/pl.wikipedia.org/
Please let us know if you have any problems. Thanks! -- RobLa-WMF 07:23, 23 novembre 2010 (UTC)