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Si tu vole facer un requesta pro tu bot, solmente seque iste passos: If you want to make a request for your bot, just follow these steps:
1. Crea un usator pro tu bot. Il es fortemente recommendate haber le parola "bot" como suffixo del nomine del bot. 1. Create a user for your bot. It is strongly recommended to have the word "bot" as a suffix of the bot's name.
2. Adde {{bot}} in su pagina de usuario. Per exemplo, si tu pagina de discussion es in "es": {{bot|TuNomine|site=es}}. 2. Add {{bot}} into its user page. For example, if your talk page is in "en": {{bot|YourName|site=en}}.
3. Usa le button pro crear un nove pagina. Le nomine deberea esser "Wikipedia:Requesta de " e le nomine de tu bot. 3. Use the button for creating a new page. The name should be "Wikipedia:Requesta de " and the name of your bot.
4. Transclude le requesta al fin de iste pagina. Per exemplo: "{{Wikipedia:Requesta de BOT}}", ubi BOT es le nomine de tu bot. 4. Transclude the request at the end of this page. For example: "{{Wikipedia:Requesta de BOT}}", where BOT is the name of your bot.
5. Attende que un administrator te permitte currer le bot. 5. Wait for an administrator to allow you to run the bot.
6. Depost, tu deberea currer le bot normalmente. Le stato essera concedite depost de alicun tempore de proba. 6. After that, you should run your bot normally. The status will be granted after some time of testing.
Formulario Form
1. Operator: tu nomine e le wikipedia ubi tu ha tu pagina de discussion 1. Operator: your name and the wikipedia where you have your talk page
2. Automatic or Manually Assisted: (Automatic o Assistite Manualmente) Automatic: specifica si illo es surveliate o non surveliate, Assisite Manualmente: le usator debe confirmar cata cambio 2. Automatic or Manually Assisted: Automatic: Specify whether supervised or unsupervised, Manually Assisted: User must manually confirm every change
3. Programming Language(s): (Linguage(s) de programmation) 3. Programming Language(s):
4. Function Summary: (Summario de Function) un parve description super que illo face 4. Function Summary: a short description about what it does
5. Edit period(s): (Periodo(s) de Edition) (e.g. continue, quotidian, executiones de un vice) 5. Edit period(s): (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run)
6. Edit rate requested: (Taxa de Edition Requestate) Numero de modificationes per unitate de tempore 6. Edit rate requested: X edits per TIME
7. Already has a bot flag (Y/N): (Jam ha un flag de bot (Y/N)) Y pro SI / N pro NO, e ubi 7. Already has a bot flag (Y/N): Yes / No, and where
8. Function Details: (Detalios de Function) Lista detalios super le function complete hic 8. Function Details: List full function details here


Requestas / Requests[modificar fonte]

Synchbot (via Pathoschild)[modificar fonte]

Bot approval request[modificar fonte]

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  • 1. Operator  : Pathoschild
  • 2. Automatic or Manually Assisted : automatic (supervised)
  • 3. Programming Language  : Python
  • 4. Function Summary  : maintains user pages across all Wikimedia projects
  • 5. Edit period  : continuous in ≈monthly batches (see archive)
  • 6. Edit rate requested  : ≈0–20 edits per month (depending on number of requests)
  • 7. Already has a bot flag (Y/N)  : N (not requesting a bot flag; see below)
  • 8. Function Details  :
  • Note on user accounts  : m:Synchbot is the name of the service and request page (no user:Synchbot exists). The bot edits and deletes using the non-bot User:Pathoschild account for technical reasons (see below).

Synchbot is a crosswiki bot that creates, updates, and deletes user pages across Wikimedia projects in every language. It only touches user pages when publicly requested by the associated user, and has been active since 2008. Since global user pages were introduced in 2015, it mostly deletes local user pages so the global ones can take effect. (It doesn't delete the user page if they have a block history, and doesn't delete the user_talk page if it has a discussion history.) It runs under my own account because it needs my editinterface and global deleter global permissions, and sometimes involves manual work. See m:Synchbot for more information about the service.

As suggested by an anonymous user, I'd like to confirm whether the community wants Synchbot to continue editing and deleting pages here. Note that Synchbot can optionally customise its behaviour on iawiki — for example, it can use the {{eliminar}} template instead of deleting pages itself. Since every edit on iawiki is for a different task and the edit rate is very low, I suggest not setting a bot flag to simplify community oversight.

Synchbot has been paused on this wiki pending confirmation on whether this service is welcome on iawiki. —Pathoschild 04:14, 4 april 2016 (UTC)

Discussion about Synchbot & user page policy[modificar fonte]

User talk page creation[modificar fonte]
User page deletion looks good, as it reduces local maintenance. But creating talk pages that only redirect is almost the opposite. There are thousands of active WP users. That would make finding real user pages harder, and the blue links may invite users to follow links, just to find nothing but a redirect. 91.9.107.131 04:40, 4 april 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. The crosswiki redirect on User talk:Nhóm Thông tin Wikimedia was only created due to the unusual nature of the account (see the associated request for discussion). Usually such a request would be declined, because they should use global user pages instead and normally shouldn't redirect the talk page. —Pathoschild 06:27, 4 april 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't think that my request can be so far and cause trouble for Pathoschild. Only one simple question: does ia.wiki prevent the creation of soft-redirect page for user namespace? If yes, so I will contact an admin to delete that violation user's talk page, or change it to other content which not violation anymore. If no and ia.wiki only don't want a "bot account" create it, I will beg Pathoschild to delete this page and create it by self. Thank you and sincerely apologize. --minhhuy (talk)
The action in question was in the user talk namespace. Any page creation by a bot should be approved first in this wiki. It would be nice if Pathoschild deletes his creations. Then there would be no local policy violation.
A soft-redirect created by the user itself seems currently to be OK. But also this needs further research. For the user space the global pages could be used. For user talk, it looks weird, but with future crosswiki notifications might be solved. In a case like yours, where the user does not contribute, then there will also probably no reason to post to their talk page. So, also here no reason to create a redirect page. Welcoming messages, certainly can cause trouble. Maybe they should be disabled in iawiki, especially if only a template-text is included. This is a very low traffic, clean wiki, recent changes and automated list of pages (e.g. AllPages in namespace ...) are still very helpful. 91.9.107.131 18:27, 4 april 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I got it. Pathoschild, could you please delete User talk:Nhóm Thông tin Wikimedia on this wiki? Might it would be better if I create it by self, sorry again and thank you very much. Then, because this wiki don't prevent (or don't have any policy for) the creation of soft-redirect page for user namespace and user talk namespace, after the page has been deleted, I'll create it with same content before delete. Thank you. --minhhuy (talk) 05:47, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
Apart from adherence to bot policy, this may help in the future, as there might be a process to delete all user and user talk pages that don't have actual talk and were not created by the user itself. 91.9.117.187 06:24, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
@Trần Nguyễn Minh Huy: 91.9.117.187 has already flagged it for deletion. This wiki has its own administrators and this isn't a crosswiki task, so I'll defer to them. (Maybe you could just replace the delete template with your content, to make it a non-bot edit.) —Pathoschild 13:33, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
Bot description above says "maintains user pages across all Wikimedia projects", but reversion is not a crosswiki task? 91.9.117.187 14:12, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
Synchbot updates or deletes a user's pages across all projects simultaneously. Maintaining an individual user page is up to the owner of the page, with help from local administrators if deletion is necessary (or Stewards if local administrators are unavailable). I have permission to delete pages for the specific purpose of crosswiki Synchbot requests; this would be outside that remit. —Pathoschild 15:04, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I will wait until local admins delete that page. Make a modification seem only can cause more problem. I hope that at least, every account on ia.wiki can "do something" in their user namespace which non-violation. Maybe someone can't using Ia language or make any useful action for project, but we are in Wikimedia community and this project is an "open wiki" after all :^) --minhhuy (talk) 16:11, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
Classes of edits[modificar fonte]
  • user page deletion
    • on request by user in meta
    • but not for this iawiki request Wikipedia:bot/2016#0005 "Synchbot only addresses a specific type of crosswiki task." [1]
    • can lead to items appearing in Special:Redirectiones rupte (user renamed from A to B, redirects left behind by rename process. Then B deleted, and A listed as broken. (Usator:Ralgis → Usator:Allan Aguilar; Usator:White Master King → Usator:White Master). This is a MediaWiki bug; see phabricator:T90978.
  • user page creation
    • "if you have a local policy against redirected user pages, I'll make sure Synchbot does not create any redirected user pages on iawiki" [2]
      • there is a policy to have tasks approved first
    • redirect from user A to other project user B (e.g. Usator:G(x) - user has no edits)
  • user page modification
  • user talk page deletion
  • user talk page creation
    • done, rules unclear
  • user talk page modification
Re: classes of edit[modificar fonte]

Does the phrase "there is a policy to have tasks approved first" mean I would need specific approval for each Synchbot request, or a blanket approval for each type of request? —Pathoschild 15:07, 5 april 2016 (UTC)

The only useful with the type of edits you perform seems to be "by type". Above listed are 3*2 types. Are there more? 91.9.127.213 15:30, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
Synchbot handles arbitrary user requests, some of which may have custom requirements. Requests are accepted on a case-by-case basis, and negotiated to conform with crosswiki limitations and local community expectations. As a general rule, requests can be roughly divided into these types:
action page current guidelines
(This information is only meant to explain how Synchbot requests are processed, and isn't absolute or comprehensive.)
create or update user page Discouraged since 2015; users should use their global user page instead. If accepted, the text must be compatible with all wikis (e.g. can't use templates or categories, since those won't exist on all wikis). Hard redirects are only accepted if the user was globally renamed.
user talk page Discouraged since 2016; users typically want this for "please contact me on wiki X" banners, which are no longer needed with the upcoming crosswiki notifications feature. If accepted, same guidelines as user pages.
~/*.css or ~/*.js subpage Discouraged since 2014; users should use global CSS/JS instead.
other subpage Generally declined.
delete user page Accepted. If the user has ever been blocked on this wiki (even once), their local user page won't be deleted.
user talk page Discouraged; only accepted for pages with no discussion history (e.g. only edited by Synchbot or the user).
~/*.css or ~/*.js subpage Accepted.
other subpage Determined on a case-by-case basis.
Based on this discussion so far:
action page local policy on iawiki
create/update user page local policy unclear
user talk page local policy unclear
~/*.css and ~/*.js subpages local policy unclear
other subpages local policy unclear
delete user page OK
user talk page local policy unclear
~/*.css and ~/*.js subpages local policy unclear
other subpages local policy unclear
Pathoschild (discussion) 17:52, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
Re 1) css/js and 2) other subpages - is there a way to list all in 1 and separately all in 2? 91.9.127.213 18:26, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
What do you mean? Do you mean a list of all previous subpage requests? Pathoschild (discussion) 21:19, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
No, existing subpages to know the maximum quantity of such deletions in the future. I only found a list via search [3] 91.9.127.213 21:44, 5 april 2016 (UTC)
Here's a full list of user subpages on iawiki. Pathoschild (discussion) 00:32, 6 april 2016 (UTC)
CSS and JS subpages[modificar fonte]

Thanks a lot for the full list of user subpages on iawiki. This has relevance for user space documentation and exists now also at Wikipedia:Usator/subpage/list‎. Wikipedia:Usator#Subpagina shows some special cases, e.g. css created by you, but user does not exist. Could you delete these? The user itself may never ask, as she does not exist. 91.9.118.11 09:50, 6 april 2016 (UTC)

Here's a list of subpages for users who don't exist on iawiki. The list includes:
  • Two pages created by an older version of Synchbot for global users (whose local accounts will be created the first time they visit). Synchbot no longer creates these pages pre-emptively.
  • Five redirects created automatically when the user was renamed.
  • Two pages created by local users.
I marked the two pages Synchbot created for deletion. Pathoschild (discussion) 16:19, 6 april 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I marked more, but cannot mark the css/js, it says I have no permission, because it is the config of another user. But that would also apply to you. Since you don't delete the clean-up depends on admins. What issues could arise when these css/js are deleted? Maybe if the exact page exists in meta, there should be no issue, as rendering won't change? Could you make an analysis for this, maybe also showing when the version in meta is different. So, three states for meta: absent, different, same. This could also be an interesting crosswiki clean-up operation. Maybe with message delivery to the affected users. PS: "Same" could have different behavior if content is transcluded, no idea whether this is possible for css/js pages. 91.9.118.11 19:33, 6 april 2016 (UTC)
The *.css and *.js subpages contain custom styles and scripts for that user. If the pages are deleted, the user will lose their customisations stored in those files. Custom CSS/JS comes from three places for each logged-in user:
user subpage explanation
<skin name>.css and <skin name>.js Loaded for that user when they view this wiki in that skin. For example, any scripts in User:Pathoschild/vector.js would run in my browser whenever I view a page here (since I use the Vector skin).
common.css and common.js Loaded for that user when they view this wiki in any skin.
global.css and global.js on Meta Loaded for that user when they visit any wiki in any skin (see global user pages). These are the only CSS/JS pages loaded from another wiki.
Synchbot popularised the global.css and global.js convention between 2008 and 2014, with local imports to run the global scripts. The imports became automatic in 2014 as part of global user pages, so the local imports are no longer needed. Any local CSS/JS page which only contains something like importScriptUrl('.../global.js...') is safe to remove. Removing these pages is a large part of Synchbot's remit. Pathoschild (discussion) 23:32, 6 april 2016 (UTC)
The deficiency that not all css/js are imported seems to lead to Usator:Gz260/monobook.css import meta....User:Gz260/monobook_global.css. Maybe global import could be extended to any skinname.css/js. That meta is equalized with global could be another problem, or can one program the meta css/js to be different depending on meta and non-meta usage? Several others than from User:Gz260 that I checked only import /global.css/js. Could make a list with those, or mark them in the current list? 91.9.101.88 07:35, 7 april 2016 (UTC)
Each user's global.css and global.js subpages from Meta are loaded automatically, even if they don't have any CSS/JS subpages on this wiki and regardless of which skin they're using. Their other *.css and *.js subpages are only loaded on that wiki. For example, my scripts in m:User:Pathoschild/common.js (if it still existed) would only be loaded on Meta, and my scripts in m:User:Pathoschild/global.js are loaded on all wikis including this one (even though I don't have any CSS/JS pages on this wiki).
You can safely delete any subpages that only import ~/global.css or ~/global.js. Usator:Gz260/monobook.css imports ~/monobook_global.css (a custom page) instead of ~/global.css (the global CSS), but it can be deleted too because he already copied his styles into the latter.
Unfortunately page text isn't available on Tool Labs, so I can't easily generate a list of such pages. There's an indirect list at m:User:Pathoschild/2014–2016 global script migration, which lists all users who had a global.css or global.js subpage on Meta before global CSS/JS was introduced. Many of them have already been migrated using Synchbot. Pathoschild (discussion) 23:43, 7 april 2016 (UTC)
Symbol keep vote.svg Approved. --Julian (disc.) 15:43, 15 april 2016 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg Denied. 91.9.127.166 14:49, 16 april 2016 (UTC)

Procedural and other concerns[modificar fonte]

An undead appeared, put an "approved" sticker and a message to not modify the page [4]. There is opposition to the way Pathoschild / Synchbot operates here. It does not follow the pattern used for other bots. Users could simple use the delete-template to have their page removed. Local admins then can handle this. Bot created user page redirects are spam. There is a lot of interference from outsiders in this wiki. 91.9.100.81 02:59, 16 april 2016 (UTC)

Dear user, the operator followed the procedure for approval and the request has been already approved by a bureaucrat.
Your concerns are valid and they should be taken into consideration. However, the bot does not have a bot flag and has a very low edit frequency. In addition, the operator has been very responsible.
Please, feel free to continue the discussion, but do not delete the signatures.
Thank you very much in advance, --Julian (disc.) 13:57, 16 april 2016 (UTC)
The undead re-appeared and re-inserted the "approved"-sticker, accompanied by the claim "the bot is already approved". [5].
re 1) "However, the bot does not have a bot flag" - that is even worse. re 2) "has a very low edit frequency" - that does not make the edits less problematic. Additionally: it does not operate under a bot name. Actually it hides behind the account Pathoschild that also performs manual edits. 91.9.127.166 14:47, 16 april 2016 (UTC)




Bots local / Local bots[modificar fonte]

THIS IS THE PAGE FOR DISCUSSING Wikipedia:Bot AND RELATED PAGES. FOR PURPOSE OF PROPER DOCUMENTATION OF TALK RELATED TO A SPECIFIC BOT TASK, IT IS NOT THE PAGE FOR DISCUSSING SPECIFIC BOT TASKS.

Local bots[modificar fonte]

Iste pagina es pro discuter activitates pro bots que solmente curre localmente. Le discussiones pro esser in interlingua o in anglese. Per favor, senti vos libere de requestar un traduction si vos non comprende anglese.

This page is to discuss tasks for bots that only run locally. The discussions can be in Interlingua or in English. Please, feel free to ask for a translation if you do not understand Interlingua.

A facer[modificar fonte]

Tasks are written in English so that people that don't speak Interlingua can help too.

To do:

original

Nos poterea comenciar con 1. e 2. Le ration del remotion del inclusion del patrono e pro evitar redundantia, proque nunc le pannello al latere ha jam le ligamines a Commons. Como nos instrumenta iste cambios? --Julian (disc.) 21:19, 17 februario 2016 (UTC)

Super 3.: .... (moved to Wikipedia:Bot/2016#0003)

Julian, I moved it to Wikipedia:Bot/2016. For a rational of my action see below. Maybe state in each section (0001,0002,0003) if you agree with the task, so KuboF could start. 91.9.108.185 02:43, 18 februario 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bot/<anno>[modificar fonte]

Ligamine corte e stabile pote adjutar

  • pro invitar usatores de altere projectos a currer un bot.
  • pro lassar un referentia in le commento de modification quando le bot modifica

"Wikipedia:Bot/2016" es corte e pote esser stabile. Ligamine stabile al sectiones es possible con sectiones nominate con numero. Ligamine a un activitate: Wikipedia:Bot/2016#0001. 91.9.108.185 02:40, 18 februario 2016 (UTC)

Io va a fusionar tres paginas que al momento contine le discussion del activitates pro le bots local: Wikipedia:Bot/2016, discussion Wikipedia:bot/local (in le historia), e discussion Wikipedia:bot. Le contento deberea esser in un pagina de discussion. Io pensa que le melior optiones es discussion Wikipedia:bot/local o discussion Wikipedia:bot/local/2016, por lassar clar le facto que le discussion es exclusive pro execution de bots in Wikipedia in interlingua. Que opina vos? --Julian (disc.) 23:38, 18 februario 2016 (UTC)
  1. Qual discussiones? Le petitiones pro activitates es in Wikipedia:Bot/2016 con sectiones numerate. Le logic pro isto esseva presentate. Solo necessita que un usante srcibe "Io lo face" o "No comprendo ...." o "Necessita facer anque ..." directamente in le section del activitate. Qual es le logic de separar inter multiple paginas le description del activitate e discussiones e questiones? 91.9.127.230 23:49, 18 februario 2016 (UTC)
  2. "por lassar clar le facto que le discussion es exclusive pro execution de bots in Wikipedia in interlingua." Isto es quasi clar proque le dominio es "ia.wikipedia.org". Io non vide porque establecer un altere loco pro rare occasiones in qual un activitate de un bot va esser discute in iawiki que no curre in iawiki. Pote esser un bot que cambia labels in wikidata, ma que plus? 91.9.99.43 21:39, 19 februario 2016 (UTC)

In loco de discutir Julian ha restructurate in manera illogic le contento. Etiam con elimination de discussion. Vide: section #Deletiones in iste pagina de discussion. 91.9.108.51 20:37, 20 februario 2016 (UTC)

Deletiones in iste pagina de discussion[modificar fonte]

Le activitates

  • 11:41, 20 februario 2016 Julian Mendez (Discussion | contributiones) restaurava le pagina Discussion Wikipedia:Bot (31 versiones restaurate: fusion de historias)
  • 11:38, 20 februario 2016 Julian Mendez (Discussion | contributiones) deleva le pagina Discussion Wikipedia:Bot (Delite pro permitter le renomination de "Wikipedia:Bot/2016")
  • 11:33, 20 februario 2016 Julian Mendez (Discussion | contributiones) restaurava le pagina Discussion Wikipedia:Bot (21 versiones restaurate: fusion de historias)
  • 11:32, 20 februario 2016 Julian Mendez (Discussion | contributiones) deleva le pagina Discussion Wikipedia:Bot (Delite pro permitter le renomination de "Discussion Wikipedia:Bot/local")

e 11:32 - 13:36 como visible in le historia ha removite contento. 91.9.108.51 20:35, 20 februario 2016 (UTC)

Bots global[modificar fonte]

https://ia.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATaverna&type=revision&diff=546878&oldid=546835

Il ha bots que curre in multe projectos con le mesme o quasi le mesme algorithmo. Lor operatores lassa requestas in ille projectos, face probas, e attende un autorisation. Iste requestas usualmente nasce de ille operatores.
Per contrasto, le bots local curre requestas specific de un projecto, per exemplo, renominar le inclusion de un patrono in multiple articulos. Iste requestas usualmente nasce de contributores regular in iste projecto. --Julian (disc.) 13:56, 20 februario 2016 (UTC)
Si existen bots que curren in multe projectos, pro favor documenta iste facto in Wikipedia:Bot. Directamente o con un referentia a un pagina, p.e. Wikipedia:Bot/global. Etiam poten ser autorizato le activitates de bots global via "WP:Bot/<anno>". Pote esser que un bot face un activite hic local ma plus tarde va facer lo mismo in altere Wikipedias - vamos a mover le task de "local" a "global"? 91.9.108.51 21:20, 20 februario 2016 (UTC)